[vanyvrgs]

What are the repercussions of this for James and Locke?  Why would the others want Locke to kill his dad to prove his specialness?  Why would Alpert come in to tell him James should do it, is this another part of Ben's big chess game?  Do tell me.....

[JackoDeDust]

Yeah, it's gotta be more than Locke freeing himself of his past influences.  It could however be more about Sawyer freeing himself of his past influences.  Now he can move on just like Locke.

I really wanted Locke to say "thanks Sawyer" and James to reply "my name's not Sawyer."

[mygr8lyf]

I think that Sawyer killing Sawyer is a hint that our Sawyer is the extra special person the others are looking for.  Our Sawyer is the one who took control of his life and is able to let go of the past by killing cooper/sawyer.  Locke is special (being healed) but I think our Sawyer is Extra Special-Special

[vanyvrgs]

Yeah, it's gotta be more than Locke freeing himself of his past influences.  It could however be more about Sawyer freeing himself of his past influences.  Now he can move on just like Locke.

I really wanted Locke to say "thanks Sawyer" and James to reply "my name's not Sawyer."

Yeah, but Ben wanted Locke to kill Cooper/sawyer like it was his divine right.  Having someone else do it does it take away Locke's specialness.  I am still all concerned about James killing Cooper/Sawyer, the island may not like that kind of revenge.

[yada yada]

Yeah, it's gotta be more than Locke freeing himself of his past influences.  It could however be more about Sawyer freeing himself of his past influences.  Now he can move on just like Locke.

I really wanted Locke to say "thanks Sawyer" and James to reply "my name's not Sawyer."

That would've gone straight to the favourite quotes list!

[Tandarie]

So far isn't that what everyone on the island that has  DIED  done? Right before they get knocked off they are freed from their past mistakes....  Hmmm

What a great intense scene!  I was screaming at the TV "KILL HIM "! 

I do think it is  VERY suspicious they way  Anthony Cooper was egging him on.. I just don't think that's the real guy.  It was way over the top and I think if it were the real Sawyer (cooper) he would have tried to talk his way out of it.

BTW " we are in Hell " is a buncha bullshit

[vanyvrgs]

I do think it is  VERY suspicious they way  Anthony Cooper was egging him on.. I just don't think that's the real guy.  It was way over the top and I think if it were the real Sawyer (cooper) he would have tried to talk his way out of it.

Insterstly you bring that up.  I thought it was not Cooper when they asked him not to touch him at the beginning of the epi and that it was just a test (just to have him prove his need to belong _- you know Locke has belonging issues -- the fact that he could carry the body however made me wonder).  I am not sure at this point whether it was the actual cooper, but I think Locke was made albeit subconsiously to compromise sawyer so that he could belong and he fell for it. Ben may have done this to compromise his status as special to the island since Ben has jealousness issues. Don't know but this switch in who should have actuallly killed Cooper is going to be very important.  At least that is what I think now...   

[Creampop]

I think it is Cooper, the way he descrribed getting to the Island was just the way Juliet got there, I think Alpert told Locke to get Sawyer cus as long as Ben saw a dead body Locke was in and for some reason everyone was excited that Locke was there. Cooper acting the way he did eggin them on IMO was now different the his cocky ways in every epi we have seen him in. I so hope that this part of Locke and Sawyers life can be put behind them. and I don't think Sawyer will died, to may people like him! besides he has killed before on the island soooooooooo LOL

[Riggs]

Ben doing his ol manipulation thing once again..  The camp believes Locke is special...maybe Jacob..maybe their true leader...maybe a god of sorts.  Bottom line, Locke not being able to kill Anthony Cooper I believe proved to the Others that he IS the one..he is a super special person, and that Locke using Sawyer to take care of business is very Ben-like and exactly what Ben wanted.  I think the writers are trying to throw us off the scent by positioning Sawyer as the special person because he killed Anthony Cooper..I'm stickin to it that Locke is the central figure for the Others and for the show.  Richard said it himself that Locke's healed paralysis was a miracle and only would happen to a VERY special person.  Disagree if you wish, I'm not budging...

[vanyvrgs]

Ok, assuming it is Anthony Cooper, why would Sawyer killing him make him special?  Under the eye for an eye, vengeance is wrong unless it is for the same act.  Sawyer/Cooper did not kill Sawyer/James father, only Locke has a right to that kind of revenge because he almost died at the hand of the father. So wouldn't Ben already know through Alpert that Locke commissioned Sawyer and will tell the rest of the others he is not strong because he made someone else do what was his job?  Thus, making the rest of the group think he is weak for making someone else commit the deed that belonged to him?

[Tandarie]

Did anyone catch all the names Cooper said he used?  I could have swore one of the names was Toomey?  Alan Toomey?  I am probably wrong.. but I am curious if anyone could list them . Thanks. 

[Rob G.]

Yeah, but Ben wanted Locke to kill Cooper/sawyer like it was his divine right.  Having someone else do it does it take away Locke's specialness.  I am still all concerned about James killing Cooper/Sawyer, the island may not like that kind of revenge.

It certainly seems like *something* didn't like Eko's rationalization of the murders in his life....

[vanyvrgs]

It certainly seems like *something* didn't like Eko's rationalization of the murders in his life....

That is in essence what am saying.  The colony somehow thought that it would be ok for Locke to kill him.  Ben may have known that Locke would not do it and sent out Alpert to tell him about Sawyer.  This was all part of his plan.  He knew LOcke would do anything to belong.  He wanted him to go and make Sawyer do it so that he compromised another soul to get his revenge and now is not special or divine retribution anymore. Now that *something* may not understand why revenge took the shape it did and in it he compromised another soul, Sawyer, who may have already been compromised in part, but was growing into a less revengeful con man.  Does this mean Sawyer's development will now take some steps back as well?   I don't think am explaining this correctly.....must be all this flu meds...

but that *something* may be pissed at Locke and I would not be surprised if Ben is looking for him to banged on the trees a la Eko....

[E gratis?]

That is in essence what am saying.  The colony somehow thought that it would be ok for Locke to kill him.  Ben may have known that Locke would not do it and sent out Alpert to tell him about Sawyer.  This was all part of his plan.  He knew LOcke would do anything to belong.  He wanted him to go and make Sawyer do it so that he compromised another soul to get his revenge and now is not special or divine retribution anymore. Now that *something* may not understand why revenge took the shape it did and in it he compromised another soul, Sawyer, who may have already been compromised in part, but was growing into a less revengeful con man.  Does this mean Sawyer's development will now take some steps back as well?   I don't think am explaining this correctly.....must be all this flu meds...

but that *something* may be pissed at Locke and I would not be surprised if Ben is looking for him to banged on the trees a la Eko....

Getting Locke to kill his own father, and thus being ostracized from the others group (because we all know that they are the good guys  and they wouldn't kill somebody  ), might be a ploy by Ben to ensure that Locke does not become 'him'.  Ben is clearly the leader of the others, on-island, and doesn't want his leadership challenged.  Having Locke be 'him' would certainly give Locke an edge on becoming their leader...

[Intrinsic]

I think that the entire situation was brought together by the powers that be on the island. Now, I, in all my infinite wisdom    knew that Anthony was Sawyer from the kidney thing. But it would be too great a coincidence that sawyer and locke were on the same plane blah blah blah. Point is, that I think that it is going to turn out to be a catharsis for James Ford, but since locke didn't kill him, locke is still moving through the motions without committing fully to the island. It is exactly like with the hatch. Locke committed to stopping the button pushing and at the last second started bitching about how he made a mistake. I think Ben's assessment of him being that same weak, pathetic man is absolutely true. He puts on a front, the same way James Ford did, only without a name change. The entire "don't tell me what I can't do" additude is just his way of hiding the weak pathetic man he really is.